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Has the government made it better or worse
 
Relaxing drinking laws to extend opening hours has to increase by definition the opportunity for excessive drinking to occur, so why is Govn't convinced it'll do the reverse?
 
Stopping smoking in pubs has to make people go elsewhere for a drink and smoke. Abroad the weather means that even if you obey the law (the French are classic for not doing when it suits),...
14-Aug-08 05:24 PM
 
Lower Classes drinking pattern
 
Is it me or do people who earn a low wage drink and smoke more than others?
Simon
14-Aug-08 10:05 AM
 
Lower Classes drinking pattern
 
Yes I have noticed this too!
Its almost like they have been programmed to..........
15-Aug-08 03:00 PM
 
Alcoholic Constipation
 
I suffer from alcoholic constipation,
I just can't pass a pub.
12-Aug-08 03:53 PM
 
CHOOSE DRINK OR GET A LIFE!
 
I HAVE JUST RETURNED FROM FRANCE AND EACH YEAR I GO CAMPING IN FRANCE ITALY OR SPAIN.
NEVER DO I SEE ANY SAD AGRESSIVE VIOLENT DRUNKEN BEHAVIOUR.
WHAT I DO SEE IS PEOPLE ENJOYING THEMSELVES INVOLVED IN ALL KINDS OF SPORT,HOBBIES,EXERCISE,THE OPEN AIR,MUSIC,SOCIALISING AND EATING WITH FRIENDS AND FAMILY (WITH OR WITHOUT ALCOHOL AND IN MODERATION.)
 ...
MIKE RUTHERFORD - GREATER MANCHESTER
12-Aug-08 03:46 PM
 
CHOOSE DRINK OR GET A LIFE!
 
I agree with your comments but what should be done to change behaviours.  Perhaps reverting back to 1950's where the only place that alcohol could be bought was at an off license attached to a pub? (in other words take it out of supermarkets) Perhaps our police should use guns (tasar or whatever) and use them as the police would do in France/Spain (while where at it lets g...
sensible drinker
14-Aug-08 01:16 PM
 
CHOOSE DRINK OR GET A LIFE!
 
I agree;until a change in culture and attitude occurs in England things will not change!
We refuse to holiday in certain resorts UK and abroad so we dont have to suffer the embaracement.Sadly the capital of Jersey and the Isle of Man both suffer drunks.
Mel Greater Mannchester
15-Aug-08 03:15 PM
 
alcopops and shots
 
I think that these drinks should stop being sold completly, as they increase consumption in the underage. They are given easily drinkable flavours, unlike normal beers and spirits.
 
 
If this is not possible, then I think that they should be taxed very heavily, so the younger end cannot buy them.
11-Aug-08 10:38 AM
 
alcopops and shots
 
I do agree with that they should be taxed heavily to stop over usage from the underage, but I do not think this is a solution to the problem no more.
 
I also  think that these drinks are far to easy to get hold of, maybe the age for drinking should be increased.
ste gould
14-Aug-08 12:24 PM
 
thank you Jo on cheshire FM
 
i was listening to Cheshire FM on Friday, there was a lady on there who i thought was very brave, she was telling us about her life in drink and how she had lost everything Husbend, bissness and nearly cost her a life. she went to turning point that helps with peaple with drug and drinking problems.
at the time of the the program i could not contribute to the content has i have my...
09-Aug-08 01:04 PM
 
REAL ALES! SENSIBLE DRINKING
 
 To many people drink to excess and really don't enjoy the
experiece,eg the taste Real Ales provide a drink experience
much like wines. Real lager from Belgium and Germany etc
also contribute to the experience!
 Moderation is true temperance a Yates wine lodge advert
used to say which is probably right.
Prohi...
Khalied
07-Aug-08 01:52 PM
 
CONTROL DRINKING OR COMPLETE ABSTINCE PLUS RECOVERY WITHOUT NEEDING OR WANTING A DRINK?!
 
But whats your point or question Khaleid?!
Dont believe everything you see on TV either, get yourself to an 'open' meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous and find out more about why some people cannot drink safetly and enjoy.
People most people drink in excess on a regular basis since they got a problem with the stuff despite the huge amount of denial (Approx 95% of people who have a d...
Mick
08-Aug-08 02:59 AM
 
REAL ALES! SENSIBLE DRINKING
 
I agree. The real ale scene is about managing drink sensibly - the first thing you observe is that real ale drinkers go for halves and sometimes the less alcoholic varieties as they want to be able to continue to taste their tipple.
 
The supermarkets are the real devils as they encourage consumption of everything. They run hand in glove with the oil industry...
Jim F
14-Aug-08 01:16 AM
 
REAL ALES! SENSIBLE DRINKING
 
You may have a point but most of the people I know drink to socialise and out of boredom.  Pub and clubs no longer exist in the drinking culture.  It is now buy cheap booze from another outlet and drink and smoke in comfort and none of the hassle getiing home.
Simon
14-Aug-08 10:13 AM
 
Alcoholics Anonymous
 
Is drinking costing you more than money?
 
0845 7697 555 24 hour helpline
 
 
30-Jul-08 10:46 AM
 
Alcohol leads to (often supressed) racist views surfacing
 
During what was supposed to be a fun game of football with my family in a local park, we were verbally racially attacked by a women (accompanied by a man, but who didn't actually say anything) who was clearly drunk and yet carrying another can of alcohol in her hand.
 
It made me sick to have to have to be subjected to that, and we could have retaliated, howe...
Anon
29-Jul-08 04:57 PM
 
Alcohol leads to (often supressed) racist views surfacing
 
Alcohol and football go hand-in-hand unfortunately. Alcohol fuelled racism and hooliganism at matches is one reason why I absolutely hate the sport and think it's an embarrassment that it attracts the crowd it does.
nigel_g
11-Aug-08 02:06 PM
 
who is to blame supermarkets or pubs
 
the supermarkets now sell top branded products like bulmers, stella, and fosters at below cost price as a loss leader,
pubs and bars can not afford to do this as they have a duty of care to provide and a level of legislation to uphold with in each of there outlets
the supermarkets do not care what happens to there product once it has left the check out!
...
mark ruby
29-Jul-08 10:20 AM
 
who is to blame supermarkets or pubs
 
If anyone is 'to blame' it ispeople who drink too much. Tesco or Mitchells & Butlers don't go on a drunken rampage every Saturday night.
People need to take some responsibility.
Francis Rossi
29-Jul-08 03:57 PM
 
who is to blame supermarkets or pubs
 
I think the true blame rests with us alcoholics!
waddy
31-Jul-08 04:13 PM
 
who is to blame supermarkets,pubs, parents,alcopops, , binge drinkers, suffering alcoholics or GOVERNMENT?!
 
Wake up everone! As well as those that drink it, what about the government that have lacked responsibility on many fronts:-
1. Lack of admitting they are the problem. How many times recently have you heard them call, its the supermarkets, its the parents, its alcopops, its controlable?!
When the government admits that Alcoholism is a treatable illness with the right services and r...
recovering lancy alcy
01-Aug-08 04:56 AM
 
who is to blame supermarkets or pubs
 
The government is to blame with introducing the smoking ban.
I would prefere to drink in the pub with friends than sit in front of the tv drinking far more than I would in the pub.
12-Aug-08 03:42 PM
 
Class A Drug
 
If alcohol were only just discovered now it may be considered a Class A drug
25-Jul-08 03:18 PM
 
Living With the Nanny State
 
The government need to give the parents their powers back.
 
Fact is that they have taken away the ability for parents to discipline their kids and scared them into fussing over their kids.
 
I'm only young but i wasn't brought up with this social intervention in peoples lives.
 
If we were naughty we were ...
m c
21-Jul-08 04:07 PM
 
but
 
I think it's great that you have the self control and maturity to drink sensibly.  The government can't tell people what to drink, they can only advise, which I believe is what they are doing.  It's up to the individuals.  Unfortunatley there are many without your level of restraint when it comes to drinking.  But I do agree, how can any of us trust this excuse of a govern...
25-Jul-08 03:15 PM
 
Living With the Nanny State
 
I totally agree, bring back the cane! Kids talk about respect, let them respect a 4 foot bamboo, attitudes will soon change.
Take back the street
28-Jul-08 04:20 PM
 
Living With the Nanny State
 
Totall agree about teaching kids respect again. They know that nothing will happen to them - no consequences for their actions. We are breeding a culture of gang warfare and no respect for individuals with the human rights acts and the namby pamby way everything is being handled. Kids who end up in court these days are hailed heroes by their mates and treat it all as a big joke. My kids t...
Suzi G
29-Jul-08 11:21 AM
 
Living With the Nanny State
 
I agree, I was a single parent so had to keep a tight hand on the reins. I always told my kids to pray the police got to them first before I did if they ever broke the law. My kids are all now grown up, not one of them have ever been in trouble, they all work and have good morals and judgment. Dont let my first statement let you think I was a tyrant, far from it, we are a very close and lovin...
lynny
14-Aug-08 10:06 AM
 
Recommended units
 
We are told that the recommended max no of units per week of alcohol is 21 for men. Where did this figure come from ? There are plenty of genetic. size, weight, dietary, health factors which must affect this figure. After spending a day working down the coal pit a miner would drink 7 or 8 pints and think nothing of it, and it wasn't the alcohol that killed him in the end. There is plenty of ...
Ste
18-Jul-08 05:44 PM
 
Recommended units
 
I think you've probably answered your own question, Ste. In my view there probably cannot be a max sensible units because of the genetic, size etc factors. The most sensible message which can take account of these factors is probably the more you drink, the more damage you do.
 
I think the science is misleading on this subject and c...
Matt
21-Jul-08 10:09 AM
 
Alcohol awareness
 
Parents teach their children how to talk, walk, cross the road safely, ride a bike, swim and other important things to equip them for life. They then shy away from teaching them to drink alcohol responsibly.
If we are open with children and young adults and show them as they grow up how to drink responsibly, allowing them the occasional drink at home with meals and on special occ...
Steve Friemann
17-Jul-08 10:37 AM
 
alcohol awareness
 
I totally agree in Europe alcohol is drunk at meals and their teenagers dont go out to get drunk but to socialise which i feel are two different things, i love the latest adverts to drink responsibly i think they really make you take notice
jayne
18-Jul-08 03:05 PM
 
UK Population
 
Serious question.
 
Does anyone know what the UK population would be without alcohol?
 
The current population is roughly 60million.
Anne Staveley
15-Jul-08 02:17 PM
 
UK Population
 
a very good question.
 
Population would probably be still about 60 million. The number of alcohol related deaths is increasing each year but on the other hand the number of relationships and either planned or unplanned pregnancies where alcohol was a catalyst is also increasing - possibly to the same extent. population therefore stays relatively static.
Phil
16-Jul-08 08:40 AM
 
UK Population
 
Between 8-9 million people will be very agitated since they are addicted and the government doesnt have the right treatment facilities for them for 5% that want to give up currently, never mind the 95% that dont.
Crime will increase since they will be looting for remaining booze and we will be partially a nation of dry drunks, like president bush is, can you imagine all those beady eyed ...
Ex-Drinker, recovering alcoholic and Proud to be Sober!!!!
21-Jul-08 05:17 PM
 
Population
 
Probably half of what it is now, think of all those rampant sex exploits after a night of drunkeness.
 
All the forgotten birth control or the mornings of throwing up, not being able to take the tablet.
 
How many mistakes are there out there.
ACE
22-Jul-08 01:43 PM
 
Sort of Depression?
 
I am male, 36 years old and gay.  I loved my first boyfriend so much I can't believe we are not together now - 21 years later - yes we met when we were only 15.  He left me and I haven't coped since - I took to the booze soon after he left me - it just made me sleep.  I carried on like this for years and had other relationships but still nothing was the same.  My mum then ...
14-Jul-08 09:42 PM
 
Sort of Depression?
 
Why should one use alcohol as a coping method as it can cause depression. Why not look at the nature in abundance and find ways of appreciating the good things that are there and in front of us rather than create more problems for yourself. Surely there are people worse of than you that you can support.
You are born alone and with nothing, so why grieve for the loss of someon...
21-Jul-08 04:05 PM
 
Sort of Depression? Sort of Alcoholic but thats for you to decide
 
Sort of Alcoholic im afraid but thats only for u to decide and thats the most important step, admitting that you are powerless over the stuff (doesnt matter if its hours, days or weeks). if when u pick up a drink and cannot stop or if when u try u cannot, then u could be alcoholic, no two ways about it. I
Their is no middle of the road solution either- Ill guarantee you 2 things- You eit...
Ex-Drinker, recovering alcoholic and Proud to be Sober!!!!
21-Jul-08 04:52 PM
 
Sort of Depression?
 
Just because you are gay, why dwell over a relationship you had in your mid-teens? Lots of us straight people had our first meaningful relationship at that age, and when it finished, although we were miserable for a time, we then moved on. Are you really that different?
I'm sorry about your mum dying when you were so young - doesn't that affect you more? You know, alcohol is a depre...
Me
08-Aug-08 12:34 AM
 
Sort of Depression?
 
Just because you are gay, why dwell over a relationship you had in your mid-teens? Lots of us straight people had our first meaningful relationship at that age, and when it finished, although we were miserable for a time, we then moved on. Are you really that different?

I'm sorry about your mum dying when you were so young - doesn't that affect you more? You know, alcohol is a d...
Me
08-Aug-08 12:34 AM
 
Sort of Depression?
 
A friend of mine has had a very similar experience to you, but you know what, he has sorted himself out, lost weight, has a new boyfriend, looking for a great new job.  It can be done, but you need to take stock and get on with living, there's a great world out there.
 
I understand the depression, my friend blamed this for his problems and to be fair it was ...
Lizzie
08-Aug-08 10:17 AM
 
catching drink drivers
 
I have repeatedly called crime stoppers to report a regular drink driver and they have still not been caught. They do not fit into the stereotype of friday or saturday night drinking (so do not get caught by police). They drive every day and can be on the roads at 10am or 4pm and be over the limit. It is very frustrating that the police either do not take it seriously or are under resourced a...
annoyed
13-Jul-08 08:46 PM
 
catching drink drivers
 
I agree, police do not seem to have enough resources to target drink drivers other than the targeted Friday and Saturday nights. Having been married to an alcoholic for many years I know from personal experience how often he would drive whilst under the influence and not get caught. He was very lucky never to have caused a serious accident.
16-Jul-08 11:01 AM
 
catching drink drivers
 
I'd like to know how you think you know that this person is drunk driving; what it's got to do with you; & why you are carrying out this personal vendetta. Have you got nothing better to do? Let the police & fate sort him out.
31-Jul-08 04:33 PM
 
catching drink drivers
 
When you have to deal with the aftermath of someone who died because of drink-driving, you will wish you had spoken out earlier.
I speak from experience. The person I loved the most in the world thought he could drive after consuming a bottle of strong wine. He almost made it, but fell asleep at the wheel on the last leg of his journey, and died in a head-on crash. Try explaining to...
08-Aug-08 12:43 AM
 
catching drink drivers
 
The limit for driving should be reduced to zero, the everyone would know where they stand with the law.
12-Aug-08 03:45 PM
 
'Binge Drinking' is normal, they just moved the bar
 
Over 5 drinks is a 'binge' so if i go to the pub during the day have 6 pits in as many hours whilst watching the football and having lunch or dinner, i'm am a weekend 'binge' drinker, what a load of _____!
 
Fact is that its the same it always has been, but the phobia is now worse, make everyone a criminal and you'll find that you have a load of criminals on your ...
M Cheeseman
03-Jul-08 01:09 PM
 
'Binge Drinking' is normal, they just moved the bar
 
I toataly Agree!!!
me
11-Jul-08 12:20 PM
 
Alcohol pricing
 
I feel that recent claims and campaigning via supermarkets (Tesco/Asda etc) to increase off licence sales of alcohol will reduce or prevent young people and adults consuming alcohol in a risky way are unfounded.  What evidence is there that increasing prices on alochol will do this?  Also these supermarkets have a vested interest in increasing and agreeing a rise in prices...
Ian
02-Jul-08 01:00 PM
 
Alcohol pricing
 
It  would help if  there was a minimum price for  a  unit of  alcohol because it  would stop the supermarkets ganging together to keep the price of  alcohol so low that even kids with small amounts of  pocket money can buy high strength booze -but  also I  heard that 20% of the average supermarket bill is  for alcohol - so  that...
02-Jul-08 02:03 PM
 
Alcoholism in families
 
Just an opinion but i think that is important that the sons and daughters of alcoholics parents have the oppotunity they need to talk to someone about there problems. Children who may not have been phisically harmed by there parents might still be affected by their parents thirst. Binge drinkers can be just as bad as constant drinkers. I just feel like there is very little someone can do to t...
CC
30-Jun-08 12:02 PM
 
Alcoholism in families
 
There is somewhere to go to talk to people who know what it's like to grow up in such a turbulant environment.  I grew up in an alcoholic home and it's not the actual drink that affects me - it's the Jeckle and Hyde game of not knowing what that person will do next that got me - one minute nice, next minute all hell breaks loose.  I go to a group called Al-Anon and it's changed my l...
02-Jul-08 07:18 PM
 
Alcoholism in families
 
hello
 
I don't know if you have suffered as a child of an alcoholic but will assume that you don't know about Al-Anon. It is a worldwide organisation similar to Alcoholics Anonymous that supports friends and families of problem drinkers.
 
website: www.al-anonuk.org.uk or tel 0207 4030 888 10a...
Pauline
30-Jul-08 10:35 AM
 
No restrictions
 
It seems to us that it doesn't matter how many potential barriers you put in the way, people who want to binge drink will do it .  It's socially acceptable and even required amongst certain groups of people. Their sole aim is to get out in the evening and get wasted as fast as they can; throw up; get home [ maybe] sleep it off and start again.
Has anyone been on a stag d...
Buck and Doe
25-Jun-08 04:36 PM
 
Quote from Plato, 400BC
 
"What is happening to our young people? They disrespect their elders, they disobey their parents. They ignore the law. They riot in the streets inflamed by wild notions. Their morals are decaying. What is to become of them?"
 
Is drinking among young people really that much more of a problem today than in years gone by?
 
I'm...
Rick
25-Jun-08 04:14 PM
 
Quote from Plato, 400BC
 
Am very impressed to see a quote from Plato . . . (didn't think I'd come across one today!). 
 
Does anything ever really change - and will it ever?
Jude
27-Jun-08 04:26 PM
 
Quote from Plato, 400BC
 
In a society where drink is accepted as part of our social environment we have to except that certain people will always "go to far". In other words over indulge in whatever it may be.
 
We have to realise as a society that people who are vunerable or have an addictive personality will always become a victim of something whether it is alcohol, drugs, gam...
11-Jul-08 05:01 PM
 
Quote from Plato, 400BC
 
Funnily enough, Plato said the same about education. He said you can't just legislate for everything, for little thin